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		<title>By: BLACKHEART Cleveland&#160;Launch &#124; Organic/Mechanic</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLACKHEART Cleveland&#160;Launch &#124; Organic/Mechanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] much right after I shut down Tremon­ter, I was con­tacted by a local guy who was inter­ested in start­ing a new weblog for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: guess what it's not required</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5545</link>
		<dc:creator>guess what it's not required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK ALL OF YOU IF YOU DONT LIKE HOW WERE OUTSPOKEN THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU SO CALLED RICH BITCHES!</description>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5256</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, you rock. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: QUEST, ministries, guy templeton black</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5242</link>
		<dc:creator>QUEST, ministries, guy templeton black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adam  you were called a racist because you deleted my 
barack obama, for president posts - and than you banned me-
you stated you were only going to suspend me my posting for a week-
to punish me - you never let post after the week.
anger comes from guilt and fear-
so don&#039;t let your guilt and fear rationalize censorship and your political 
favoritism for the status qua-
i don&#039;t judge you for getting a county job from polical favors-
but dont&#039;t belive you own lies - because its called psychotic behavior-
self desception leads to destruction because you think or one thinks that the ones above them with money and contactions know more then you do-
as we can see with the world conditions - this isn&#039;t the fact - truth-
eternal thanks for the most of posts that you posted that helped 
the community-
all the luck in the world for you and the misses and new born-
eternal thanks, yogi and guy

ANTI-SPECIESISM
SPECIESISM:
1. A PREJUDICE OF ATTITUDE OF BIAS TOWARD THE INTERESTS OF MEMEBERS OF ONE&#039;S OWN SPECIES
AND AGAINIST THOSE OF MEMBERS OF OTHER SPECIES.
2. A WORD USED TO DESCRIBE THE WIDESPREAD DISCRIMINATION THAT IS PRACTICED
BY HOMO SAPIENS AGANIST THE OTHER SPECIES.
SAVE OTHER-OUR SPECIES
SOS-FRE
FROM RESEARCH EXPERIMENT
QUEST, MINISTRIES, GUY TEMPELTON BLACK, PASTOR, and YOGI YOGA BEAR, SERVICE K-9 (guy&#039;s partner)
753 BRAYTON AVE., CLEVELAND, OHIO 44113-4604 USA, V:216.861.7368, F:216.861.7368
UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES VETERAN (VOLUNTEER) PEACE, ANTI-WAR, DEFENSIVE
faith based non-profit corporation no. 389646, 501(c)(3), SINCE 1965,

ADVOCATING FOR A NATIONAL WAR DOGS MEMORIAL 
DONATE TO QUEST, VIA PAYPAL:
(CLICK) 
 
http://www.disclosureproject.com  TRUTH  -  EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adam  you were called a racist because you deleted my<br />
barack obama, for president posts &#8211; and than you banned me-<br />
you stated you were only going to suspend me my posting for a week-<br />
to punish me &#8211; you never let post after the week.<br />
anger comes from guilt and fear-<br />
so don&#8217;t let your guilt and fear rationalize censorship and your political<br />
favoritism for the status qua-<br />
i don&#8217;t judge you for getting a county job from polical favors-<br />
but dont&#8217;t belive you own lies &#8211; because its called psychotic behavior-<br />
self desception leads to destruction because you think or one thinks that the ones above them with money and contactions know more then you do-<br />
as we can see with the world conditions &#8211; this isn&#8217;t the fact &#8211; truth-<br />
eternal thanks for the most of posts that you posted that helped<br />
the community-<br />
all the luck in the world for you and the misses and new born-<br />
eternal thanks, yogi and guy</p>
<p>ANTI-SPECIESISM<br />
SPECIESISM:<br />
1. A PREJUDICE OF ATTITUDE OF BIAS TOWARD THE INTERESTS OF MEMEBERS OF ONE&#8217;S OWN SPECIES<br />
AND AGAINIST THOSE OF MEMBERS OF OTHER SPECIES.<br />
2. A WORD USED TO DESCRIBE THE WIDESPREAD DISCRIMINATION THAT IS PRACTICED<br />
BY HOMO SAPIENS AGANIST THE OTHER SPECIES.<br />
SAVE OTHER-OUR SPECIES<br />
SOS-FRE<br />
FROM RESEARCH EXPERIMENT<br />
QUEST, MINISTRIES, GUY TEMPELTON BLACK, PASTOR, and YOGI YOGA BEAR, SERVICE K-9 (guy&#8217;s partner)<br />
753 BRAYTON AVE., CLEVELAND, OHIO 44113-4604 USA, V:216.861.7368, F:216.861.7368<br />
UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES VETERAN (VOLUNTEER) PEACE, ANTI-WAR, DEFENSIVE<br />
faith based non-profit corporation no. 389646, 501(c)(3), SINCE 1965,</p>
<p>ADVOCATING FOR A NATIONAL WAR DOGS MEMORIAL<br />
DONATE TO QUEST, VIA PAYPAL:<br />
(CLICK) </p>
<p><a href="http://www.disclosureproject.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.disclosureproject.com</a>  TRUTH  &#8211;  EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL</p>
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		<title>By: jerleen1</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5241</link>
		<dc:creator>jerleen1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,
I first started posting on Tremonter about the time the stepped up housing code enforcement started - and it was in reply to some other post I read on Tremonter - but what I find most interesting is that this community is in need of major leadership changes and whether it is Tremonter, Plain Press, Sun News, REALNEO, Channel 19, Public Broadcasting System, or a Xerox phamplet rubber banded to everybody&#039;s door knob, we are no longer going to sit by and just accept what is dolled out by those that are put in place to be of assistance.  

There is a lot of negativity, because we are dealing with a lot of negativity in the neighborhood right now.  A lot of unfair treatment and unequally balanced representation - and, oh yes, I am so sure, that if we only wrote rosy poetry and bragged about the good deeds that the fine do-gooders were doing everybody would be happy and all would be well - but instead, we are exposing the ugliness of what goes on that nobody wants the rest of the world to know about - and by closing Tremonter because we were bringing the nasty truth to light - it is no longer a secret that we have fine people that take away people homes - that there are rich people living in our mist that want the homeless removed from our society - that some of the do-gooders mis-use the system while the poverty level and needy - have a hard time receiving assistance - that the very organization created to look after those less fortunate isn&#039;t even run by it&#039;s own guide lines.

There are so many that read Tremonter that did not post - I&#039;ve had people ask me how do we find out what&#039;s going on now - we counted on you to fight for us - well - I will continue the fight - the only thing you have done - given us the reason to do our own thing.  There is nothing wrong with healthy debate - with different opinions - so we&#039;re creating our own website - and we&#039;re posting on REALNEO.
We still have the Plain Press - and so we&#039;re still going to speak out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,<br />
I first started posting on Tremonter about the time the stepped up housing code enforcement started &#8211; and it was in reply to some other post I read on Tremonter &#8211; but what I find most interesting is that this community is in need of major leadership changes and whether it is Tremonter, Plain Press, Sun News, REALNEO, Channel 19, Public Broadcasting System, or a Xerox phamplet rubber banded to everybody&#8217;s door knob, we are no longer going to sit by and just accept what is dolled out by those that are put in place to be of assistance.  </p>
<p>There is a lot of negativity, because we are dealing with a lot of negativity in the neighborhood right now.  A lot of unfair treatment and unequally balanced representation &#8211; and, oh yes, I am so sure, that if we only wrote rosy poetry and bragged about the good deeds that the fine do-gooders were doing everybody would be happy and all would be well &#8211; but instead, we are exposing the ugliness of what goes on that nobody wants the rest of the world to know about &#8211; and by closing Tremonter because we were bringing the nasty truth to light &#8211; it is no longer a secret that we have fine people that take away people homes &#8211; that there are rich people living in our mist that want the homeless removed from our society &#8211; that some of the do-gooders mis-use the system while the poverty level and needy &#8211; have a hard time receiving assistance &#8211; that the very organization created to look after those less fortunate isn&#8217;t even run by it&#8217;s own guide lines.</p>
<p>There are so many that read Tremonter that did not post &#8211; I&#8217;ve had people ask me how do we find out what&#8217;s going on now &#8211; we counted on you to fight for us &#8211; well &#8211; I will continue the fight &#8211; the only thing you have done &#8211; given us the reason to do our own thing.  There is nothing wrong with healthy debate &#8211; with different opinions &#8211; so we&#8217;re creating our own website &#8211; and we&#8217;re posting on REALNEO.<br />
We still have the Plain Press &#8211; and so we&#8217;re still going to speak out.</p>
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		<title>By: SnogAsh</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5238</link>
		<dc:creator>SnogAsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

Tremonter was my first link to this neighborhood, but it&#039;s hasn&#039;t been the same for almost two years. I will miss it, but hope to see you around sometime.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>Tremonter was my first link to this neighborhood, but it&#8217;s hasn&#8217;t been the same for almost two years. I will miss it, but hope to see you around sometime.   <img src='http://www.organicmechanic.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TCJ</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5235</link>
		<dc:creator>TCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 03:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job Adam.  Setting it up in the first place and putting it out of it&#039;s misery.

As to what to do with it now?  Simple: 1. lock the name up so no one else can use it.  2. copy the whole damn thing and put in a lock box somewhere.  3.  Publicly burn the website, as literally as you can figure out how to do that.  Throw a party and burn it.  The flames can burn online till... 

Think about it.  Fire is very cleansing.  Tremont renews through fire.

TCJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job Adam.  Setting it up in the first place and putting it out of it&#8217;s misery.</p>
<p>As to what to do with it now?  Simple: 1. lock the name up so no one else can use it.  2. copy the whole damn thing and put in a lock box somewhere.  3.  Publicly burn the website, as literally as you can figure out how to do that.  Throw a party and burn it.  The flames can burn online till&#8230; </p>
<p>Think about it.  Fire is very cleansing.  Tremont renews through fire.</p>
<p>TCJ</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5234</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to point out that the reason I came to start reading and posting on Tremonter, a little over a year ago, was because a friend of mine (we&#039;ll call her &quot;Z&quot;) was being attacked on the Tremonter. A certain poster (we&#039;ll call him &quot;A&quot;) even went so far as to say she was a prostitute and posted surveilance video of her on Tremonter, primarily because she shunned his wildly inappropriate advances. She was rightly upset, mentioned this to her girls, and we came to her defense.

What is relevent here is that these wild attack posts went on for over a month. The were never censored. They were never banned. &quot;A&quot; was subsequently banned, at a later date, but I do not believe it was in relation to this series of incidents.

So, how is it that now the Tremonter takes on an air of sensitivity? &quot;Z&quot; is just a friendly beautiful young artist. She&#039;s not on any Boards. She&#039;s not a big shot lawyer or banker. She&#039;s not employed at TWDC. And she certainly did nOT receive protection from those incessant posts. 

So why do they shut it down now?

My guess is that there is information they do not want revealed. My guess is that some of the objects of the recent political posts were very uncomfortable. My guess is posts that did not follow the rah-rah mentality of the Tremont Leaders were unfairly characterized as &quot;negative&quot; and perhaps the &quot;slander&quot; went the other way. 

It is not negative to reveal information that shows the funding, assets and communal trust given certain members of a neighborhood, members in positions of &quot;leadership&quot;, are being misused for personal profit and gain. Perhaps that is incorrect - I would certainly hope so. An open dialogue, in a community forum might disprove that, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to point out that the reason I came to start reading and posting on Tremonter, a little over a year ago, was because a friend of mine (we&#8217;ll call her &#8220;Z&#8221;) was being attacked on the Tremonter. A certain poster (we&#8217;ll call him &#8220;A&#8221;) even went so far as to say she was a prostitute and posted surveilance video of her on Tremonter, primarily because she shunned his wildly inappropriate advances. She was rightly upset, mentioned this to her girls, and we came to her defense.</p>
<p>What is relevent here is that these wild attack posts went on for over a month. The were never censored. They were never banned. &#8220;A&#8221; was subsequently banned, at a later date, but I do not believe it was in relation to this series of incidents.</p>
<p>So, how is it that now the Tremonter takes on an air of sensitivity? &#8220;Z&#8221; is just a friendly beautiful young artist. She&#8217;s not on any Boards. She&#8217;s not a big shot lawyer or banker. She&#8217;s not employed at TWDC. And she certainly did nOT receive protection from those incessant posts. </p>
<p>So why do they shut it down now?</p>
<p>My guess is that there is information they do not want revealed. My guess is that some of the objects of the recent political posts were very uncomfortable. My guess is posts that did not follow the rah-rah mentality of the Tremont Leaders were unfairly characterized as &#8220;negative&#8221; and perhaps the &#8220;slander&#8221; went the other way. </p>
<p>It is not negative to reveal information that shows the funding, assets and communal trust given certain members of a neighborhood, members in positions of &#8220;leadership&#8221;, are being misused for personal profit and gain. Perhaps that is incorrect &#8211; I would certainly hope so. An open dialogue, in a community forum might disprove that, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.organicmechanic.org/2008/12/rip-tremonter/comment-page-1/#comment-5230</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your comments. At this point, I haven&#039;t thought anything further about what I&#039;m going to do with Tremonter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. At this point, I haven&#8217;t thought anything further about what I&#8217;m going to do with Tremonter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Adam,

I still haven&#039;t come to any strong conclusions, but I want to speak before it&#039;s moot or the issue fades further from memory.

First, thanks so much for your contribution to the community. You were one of the first folks I met here, (having moved to the hood around the same time,) thanks to your Guinness Pub Crawl. Having a web front-end to the neighborhood was essential to a geek like me, and though it definitely changed, it remained high priority in my feed-reading and always a back-pocket reference, (even if the barbershop hours weren&#039;t kept up-to-date ;)

I&#039;m sorry that we, the benefactors of your service, didn&#039;t compensate you enough in deserved respect, or support.

My #1 concern is that the site content stays available. Can you give us some word on that? Even if you lock out logins, I think it&#039;s really important that the stories that have been told on Tremonter remain available. (And no, I don&#039;t believe the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://tremonter.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet Archive&lt;/a&gt; suffices.)

I am offering to help fix issues that arose from the upgrade, and to re-work a newer theme (to have a similar old green look as previous,) and help with hosting -- if any or all of those will keep the content up.

Thanks again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Adam,</p>
<p>I still haven&#8217;t come to any strong conclusions, but I want to speak before it&#8217;s moot or the issue fades further from memory.</p>
<p>First, thanks so much for your contribution to the community. You were one of the first folks I met here, (having moved to the hood around the same time,) thanks to your Guinness Pub Crawl. Having a web front-end to the neighborhood was essential to a geek like me, and though it definitely changed, it remained high priority in my feed-reading and always a back-pocket reference, (even if the barbershop hours weren&#8217;t kept up-to-date <img src='http://www.organicmechanic.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that we, the benefactors of your service, didn&#8217;t compensate you enough in deserved respect, or support.</p>
<p>My #1 concern is that the site content stays available. Can you give us some word on that? Even if you lock out logins, I think it&#8217;s really important that the stories that have been told on Tremonter remain available. (And no, I don&#8217;t believe the <a href="http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://tremonter.com" rel="nofollow">Internet Archive</a> suffices.)</p>
<p>I am offering to help fix issues that arose from the upgrade, and to re-work a newer theme (to have a similar old green look as previous,) and help with hosting &#8212; if any or all of those will keep the content up.</p>
<p>Thanks again&#8230;</p>
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