Proclivities and Repressions

I hes­i­tat­ed in regard to writ­ing about this, for fear of shame or embarass­ment, but since I was about ten or twelve and I had a long con­ver­sa­tion with my par­ents about “nam­ing my feel­ings” I’ve had this voice telling me to do so when­ev­er there is some­thing that I am afraid of in myself. So why not talk about sex­u­al urges? I’ll put it past the jump so you don’t have to read about it if you don’t want to. I’m sure there is going to be TMI for some of you.

And no, I’m not gay.

I had a long email con­ver­sa­tion yes­ter­day, and I don’t even real­ly remem­ber how I got on the top­ic, regard­ing aggres­sive­ness dur­ing sex. It even­tu­al­ly broad­ened into a dis­cus­sion of aggres­sion in gen­er­al, and I’ll try to recap that flow here. Oh yes. I remem­ber. I was told:

i’m going to see thru your brava­do and peg you as a sub­mis­sive with a han­ker­ing for being dom­i­nant.

I then passed this infor­ma­tion on to anoth­er par­ty with whom I which engaged upon dis­cus­sion about afore­men­tioned quote, yes.

So first off, that quote is cor­rect. I don’t real­ly care what hap­pens dur­ing sex as long as we’re enjoy­ing our­selves. I do like aggres­sive girls though, prob­a­bly because I’m not. At least most of the time. Some­times though, I want to be the aggres­sive one, and com­plete­ly self­ish. And those feel­ings scare me.

I think I’ve been trained so well to think that any sort of phys­i­cal­ly aggres­sive behav­ior dur­ing sex is either sex­u­al assault or rape, that I am ter­ri­fied of even want­i­ng or think­ing about being phys­i­cal­ly aggres­sive dur­ing sex. It makes me feel like I’m a rapist, lots of guilt with those feel­ings. It also applies gen­er­al­ly, any phys­i­cal­ly aggres­sive behav­ior direct­ed toward a woman is abuse.

And while I can intel­lec­tu­al­ly under­stand that what any two [or twelve] con­sent­ing adults want to do to/with/at each oth­er should not be any of my busi­ness, I don’t think I could under­stand get­ting that con­sent from some­one…

I’m not even talk­ing about crazy S&M stuff. I’m quite aware that there is a world of dif­fer­ence between whip­s’n’gimp masks and smack­ing a girl’s back­side; a dif­fer­ence between plea­sure through pain and pain [it isn’t even pain real­ly, but I don’t know a bet­ter word for it] that height­ens plea­sure. I’m still wary.

There is also this sort of feel­ing of con­tempt that I wor­ry about. Going back to what I said ear­li­er about being aggres­sive and self­ish, and to be crude, but the desire itself is quite prim­i­tive I feel; some­times I want to just take a girl, have sex, get off, and not even care about what she wants. Basi­cal­ly treat­ing her like a piece of ass and not a per­son. And I don’t know if I could feel more than con­tempt for some­one who would allow them­selves to be used like that. Even want­i­ng to do some­thing like that strikes me as evil. Sure, that might be a rem­nant of Puri­tan­i­cal repres­sion, but that isn’t nec­es­sar­i­ly a good rea­son to cast it aside and indulge. No desires are inher­ent­ly evil, just twist­ed with oth­er ones, but the con­se­quences can be evil.

Any­way, I guess I’m done with exam­ples. I’ve always been [or have always been told that I am] a gen­tle per­son. I don’t think this equates exact­ly with sub­mis­sion, but there is over­lap. Just the same, aggres­sion and dom­i­nance over­lap but are not equal. But although gen­tle­ness and placid­i­ty come eas­i­ly to me, the aggres­sion is present and has always been clamped down as much as pos­si­ble. For years I’ve been ter­ri­fied of los­ing con­trol of my aggres­sion and behav­ing like my dad, much in the way I was afraid of drink­ing for so long because I did­n’t want to become an alco­holic. Instead of releas­ing the aggres­sion in a con­trolled man­ner [like my drink­ing is now very con­trolled] I rarely even look at the cage I keep it stuffed in. I don’t want to hurt any­thing, but I feel the need to some­times.

So I know my han­ker­ing for dominance/aggression in the sack and my reluc­tance to allow that to be is part of my fear of allow­ing my self­ish­ness or aggres­sion to take any hold in my life. I guess because I see self­ish­ness and aggres­sion as pas­sions hot enough that con­trol­ling them is more a mat­ter of luck than any­thing else. So I’m basi­cal­ly at an impasse, and upon reread­ing I don’t think this post makes much sense, but it is damn com­pli­cat­ed.

And no, I’m not emo.

18 thoughts on “Proclivities and Repressions”

  1. very inter­est­ing. i think i, as a woman–and feminist–have had anal­o­gous­ly oppo­site thoughts/feelings. In that I have usu­al­ly been more sex­u­al­ly assertive but I had a han­ker­ing to be sub­mis­sive, to “be taken“as well. And at first that desire con­flict­ed with my fem­i­nism. I thought it was some­how wrong and back­ward and would make me vul­ner­a­ble.

    but, as i learned more and read more, i real­ized my desire was valid and nor­mal and did­n’t mean i was not a strong, fem­i­nist woman.

    and i think that applies to you as well. i think you are some­what a vic­tim of polit­i­cal cor­rect­ness and don’t want to ful­fill the car­i­ca­ture of hyper-mas­culin­i­ty in which agres­sion fig­ures but your desires may lean that way some­times.

    but i don’t nec­es­sar­i­ly see your impuls­es as aggres­sive, so per­haps you need to reframe them. divorce the aggres­sion from sex. (though they seem so inter­re­lat­ed.)

    i think it is com­plete­ly nor­mal to want to “fuck” as opposed to make love. but you can fuck some­one you love, too. you would have to get past the idea that you would want to hate some­one that would let you fuck them. i don’t know what to say to that; sex is a very gray area (but often b/c we make it so).

    as far as aggres­sion in gen­er­al, i can under­stand that, too. last night i was talk­ing with a friend actu­al­ly about hav­ing kids but being afraid that we’d hit them, etc. because i know i can react phys­i­cal­ly and impul­sive­ly when i am angry. it has nev­er been a prob­lem, but rec­og­niz­ing that impulse is scary.

  2. Those are good points. I’ll address a few for clar­i­fi­ca­tion on my part.

    divorce the aggres­sion from sex.

    I sort of see what you mean, but I don’t know how to do that, and would­n’t I then be repress­ing my urge to “take”?

    you would have to get past the idea that you would want to hate some­one that would let you fuck them.

    Hate is the wrong word, maybe even con­tempt is the wrong word. It is more along the lines of I can­not com­pre­hend why some­one would agree to that. Maybe I can deal with it by think­ing along the lines of “it’s just sex” and after it is over the girl and I can be our nor­mal selves. Sort of like doing a favor? I dun­no. So com­pli­cat­ed­ed­ed.

  3. so you can intel­lec­tu­al­ly under­stand some­one would con­sent to being “tak­en”? but you can’t intu­itive­ly? What if she says “please fuck my brains out”?

    you don’t seem like the type to have casu­al sex, though, so per­haps you would think or feel dif­fer­ent­ly if you were in a rela­tion­ship of mutu­al under­stand­ing and con­sent may be implic­it, etc. ?

  4. What if she says “please fuck my brains out”?

    Well that is *aheM* a bit dif­fer­ent. *loosens tie*

    so per­haps you would think or feel dif­fer­ent­ly if you were in a rela­tion­ship of mutu­al under­stand­ing and con­sent may be implic­it, etc. ?

    Maybe. Nev­er been in one long enough to find out though.

  5. What a great post. Seri­ous­ly. I know that I, as a woman, have real­ly been at odds with the idea of “being tak­en” or fucked or what­ev­er you want to call it. And like Pep­per­mint said, how that desire con­flict­ed with my stance as a fem­i­nist. I final­ly just decid­ed that it does­n’t have so much to do with men and women and their dif­fer­ent roles as it does our basic desires. And these don’t have to be at odds with my fem­i­nism or your mas­culin­ism (<– I think I just made that word up.)

    See, I think it has a lot less to do with agres­sion than it does with self­ish­ness. At least for me, it was about fig­ur­ing out that it’s OKAY to be self­ish in the sack once in a while. And yeah, that comes from being in a rela­tion­ship with some­one who says, I want to be fucked…as much as I want to fuck you.

    It sounds like you think fuck­ing cheap­ens the expe­ri­ence though. Hence the guilt and the think­ing less of the girl that would want to be fucked.

    What if the girl that “con­sents to that” as you put it, loves you and wants to plea­sure you, so she con­sents to being fucked? Is she less or more than the girl that just likes being fucked?

  6. What if the girl that “con­sents to that” as you put it, loves you and wants to plea­sure you, so she con­sents to being fucked? Is she less or more than the girl that just likes being fucked?

    I don’t know. I’m not sure how I’d feel about a girl con­sent­ing to some­thing like that just as a favor. Espe­cial­ly if she does­n’t like it. And I’m not say­ing that is the only way I want to screw. Just some­times. If I’m ever in a rela­tion­ship that lasts long enough for me to test these ideas, then per­haps I’ll be able to answer a bit bet­ter.

  7. “some­times I want to just take a girl, have sex, get off, and not even care about what she wants. Basi­cal­ly treat­ing her like a piece of ass and not a per­son. And I don’t know if I could feel more than con­tempt for some­one who would allow them­selves to be used like that.”

    I think a per­son can only be “used” if they’re not get­ting any­thing out of it them­selves. But some peo­ple real­ly get off on the idea of being tak­en in an aggres­sive man­ner. For me, there’s a plea­sure in being want­ed so thor­ough­ly that all sense of restraint is thrown out the win­dow. There’s also an incred­i­ble sense of pow­er in know­ing that you can make some­one feel that way. And with endor­phins run­ning through your veins, any sort of phys­i­cal rough­ness just height­ens the expe­ri­ence. A sense that you’re doing some­thing some­what taboo and dan­ger­ous is also sexy. The idea that I’m being “used” if you were to throw me down and have your way with me is a bit ridicu­lous to me because I would get as much from the expe­ri­ence as you would. Trust me. 😉

  8. “I’m not sure how I’d feel about a girl con­sent­ing to some­thing like that just as a favor. Espe­cial­ly if she does­n’t like it.”

    If a girl is psy­cho­log­i­cal­ly sta­ble and has good self-esteem, even if she does­n’t like it, she’s get­ting some­thing out of it. I know next to noth­ing about your sex­u­al his­to­ry, but per­haps you’ve par­tic­i­pat­ed in an act or two that you did sim­ply for her plea­sure alone. I know for some guys (very sil­ly guys), giv­ing oral sex is that sort of activ­i­ty. But even if you haven’t encoun­tered such a sit­u­a­tion, you can prob­a­bly imag­ine it. You’re still get­ting some­thing out of it–pleasure from see­ing and feel­ing her plea­sure, per­haps in exchange she does some­thing for you she’s not wild about. All sex­u­al rela­tion­ships find a hap­py equi­lib­ri­um. No self-respect­ing girl is going to do some­thing like that with­out get­ting some tan­gi­ble or intan­gi­ble ben­e­fit.

  9. Ah, for­give my flirti­ness. I’m Neal’s (one of Adam’s high school friends) girl­friend, so I can say with much cer­tain­ty that we’ve nev­er met. Hell, I bare­ly know Adam.

  10. i should have looked at your email addy. duh. i thought it was my dear friend kather­ine who reads my blog a lot and also because your artic­u­late com­ments were char­ac­ter­is­tic of her intel­li­gence. But it’s just anoth­er smart kather­ine. 🙂

  11. Well thank you very much, Lisa. 🙂 I just hope Adam finds some enlight­en­ment in what I have to say. Or a cheap thrill, what­ev­er.

  12. Fan­tas­tic, fan­tas­tic dis­cus­sion. Adam, I’ve always known you to be quite secre­tive, so read­ing this post from you was quite surprising–not the con­tent, but just the open­ness. I com­mend you for tak­ing a deep breath and ask­ing for opin­ions on this per­son­al mat­ter.

    I can­not offer any­thing more inspired than the oth­ers who have respond­ed here, for they have said about every encour­ag­ing and intel­li­gent com­ment I could pon­der. I per­son­al­ly have sim­i­lar feel­ings about sex as your­self. Some­times you want to be the aggres­sor, some­times you want to sit (or lay) back and enjoy your­self.

    As far as I know, your expe­ri­ence with the oppo­site sex has been lim­it­ed. I think it works both ways; as in, you can have a mul­ti-dimen­sion­al sex­u­al rela­tion­ship, where sex eas­i­ly ranges from love-mak­ing to sex to fuck­ing with­out much fore or after­thought by either par­ty. How­ev­er, you can also be part­nered with a per­son who views sex in a very mat­ter-of-fact way. This type of part­ner may see sex as only fuck­ing or love-mak­ing, or some­hwhere in between. Every rela­tion­ship finds its own equi­lib­ri­um, and it is up to each part­ner to decide whether or not he or she is hap­py with the sit­u­a­tion.

    Most impor­tant­ly is to make sure you feel uncon­fined by your part­ner. It’s no fun to be with some­one who makes you place a part of your­self in stor­age.

  13. We’re doing WAY too good a job of cor­rupt­ing you, Adam. Yo mama’s gonna KILL us.

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